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| Which of these vendors would you recommend (descriptions below)? |
| Cdigix |
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9% |
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| Mindawn |
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0% |
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| Napster |
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7% |
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| Ruckus Network |
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0% |
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| Sony Connect |
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7% |
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| iTunes |
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75% |
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| Real Rhapsody |
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 Posted: 03.01.2005 09:14 PM Post subject: Online Entertainment at UCR |
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The University of California Office of the President is researching online entertainment vendors for UCR. These vendors provide streaming video, music, or both. Here are the suggested vendors so far:
Cdigix
Mindawn
Napster
Ruckus Network
Sony Connect
The follwing vendors are not currently under review by UCOP, but ResNET will include them to gauge your preferences anyway:
iTunes
Real Rhapsody
Which one of these would you prefer to use on the ResNET Network?
If you have personal experience with any of these vendors, please gives us the pros and cons of your experience below (reply).
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Kansas
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| Posted: 03.02.2005 07:40 AM Post subject: |
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Personally, I think that whatever option you choose will fail, simply because of the ease of getting pirated music. But I would assume that Itunes would be your best bet, simply because of its proliferation (as compared to that of the other networks listed) and its ease of use. Also, it would prevent people from sharing files because of the protected file types (ie. m4p). Consumers are unaware how some of these other systems work, for example, while 15 dollars a month for unlimited download seems like a good deal, you have to continue using Napster and paying the 15 dollars a month to use it (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18496-2005Feb12.html). The bottom line is that there is no better alternative that incorporates ease of use, multiplatform support including Linux (http://www.cnet.com.au/mp3players/harddisk/0,39029137,40000561,00.htm) [[[iTunes]]],
an understandable, reasonable pay plan, and support for the most popular mp3 player on the market. |
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yarbo
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| Posted: 03.02.2005 03:32 PM Post subject: Don't give kickbacks to corps |
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It's horrendously unfair to use the money we pay for Internet access to pay for music for certain people. Keep the corporations off the student network and let the students take care of their own music. Resnet should be limited to providing Internet access, not web portals, music, movies or advertising.
If you've got Internet money to spare, I'd much rather see it go to provide a modicum of reliability, rather than something to listen to when my ssh tunnel disconnects. |
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| Posted: 03.02.2005 05:52 PM Post subject: |
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| This proposal originates from the UCOP, and has nothing to do with ResNET Computing at this time. We are asking questions simply to get student input to relay to the UCOP. ResNET Computing does not have the ability to create any such contracts. We also have very little "Internet" money to spare (unfortunately). |
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michaelk
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| Posted: 03.02.2005 11:01 PM Post subject: |
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Let me clarify something. ResNET is not looking at paying for music access for students.
The University of California's Office of the President has requested several music sharing companies put together proposals on what kinds of services they provide and how much it would cost each UC campus to pay for subscriptions for all of its students. UCR has not made any decisions on any services and we cannot comment on exactly what the cost structure would be, but some campuses around the country provide these services for free to all of the housing students as an incentive for them to live in the residents halls while they charge off campus students to access the campus music network.
We are by no means making everyone pay for music "for certain people". Anyone would have access to the music. I don't believe that you think we are discriminating against you, but that we are somehow ripping you off. We don't want to get ripped off either. But we also don't like it when students download illegal music or movies and get caught by RIAA or MPAA. Not only does it cost us considerable time and money to process the legal paper work, discipline the students, and make their lives miserable, but when the students actually get hauled off to court and jailed then we have to spend enormous amounts of money in legal fees. I'd rather spend a few thousand dollars to avoid all these troubles and at the same time provide safe and legal ways to download music. Wouldn't you?
I agree that iTunes is the best application out there. Unfortunately it costs 99 cents per song, which makes it tempting for students to simply go download the song for free. If we provide a subscription service where students can download songs for free then why wouldn't that be a good choice over spending 99 cents? Most of these services also offer download and burn options that are cheaper than iTunes as well.
The limited platforms the competitors run on is a serious problem. My least favorite was Sony Connect, which simply and quite litterally tells me to go away when I visit their site with Firefox. None of them have Mac programs (well, maybe Sony does, but I can't tell). Thats why we started this poll. To get an idea of what students were interested in. |
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| Posted: 03.05.2005 09:49 AM Post subject: Re: Don't give kickbacks to corps |
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| yarbo wrote: | It's horrendously unfair to use the money we pay for Internet access to pay for music for certain people. Keep the corporations off the student network and let the students take care of their own music. Resnet should be limited to providing Internet access, not web portals, music, movies or advertising.
If you've got Internet money to spare, I'd much rather see it go to provide a modicum of reliability, rather than something to listen to when my ssh tunnel disconnects. |
Shhh... Don't talk about the tunnels. |
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yarbo
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| Posted: 03.06.2005 11:47 PM Post subject: |
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Does iTunes have everything? It doesn't even have the Beatles, and it definitely doesn't have most of my favorite bands. I'm sure it's great if you love pop music, but I don't. I feel as though this is going to benefit mostly fans of pop music and not someone with relatively obscure interests.
What about promoting sites like this instead? http://www.goingware.com/tips/legal-downloads.html This would cost the school/UCOP/Resnet next to nothing to promote.
What about seeking common carrier protections and then letting the ??AA fight the students directly? |
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michaelk
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| Posted: 03.07.2005 04:11 AM Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | What about seeking common carrier protections and then letting the ??AA fight the students directly? |
The schools don't fall under common carrier regulations like an ISP. Instead, they have a "Safe Harbor" policy that protects you from some legal prosecution. This is what enables us to keep you out of jail or paying huge fines when you get caught for file sharing. We can't protect you forever though.
On top of that, Governor Schwarzenegger has actually made it felony to share copyrighted material and has given every state funded school a mandate to stop illegal file sharing. So we have to take some action.
As I stated before, these services are not going to cost the school any money out of their pocket, beyond the administrative costs associated with the time and effort to put the programs into place. We are not planning on paying for students to have "free" access to these services, we are only looking at making these services more viable and to promote the services over illegal file sharing.
We are planning on marketing the services in cooperation with whichever company has the best program. And these services will be using the Internet2 backbone, which means all the bandwidth students use for file downloading will be free to the campus, and should not fall under the bandwidth caps we currently have.
I believe the choice will ultimately come down to downloading illegal music over a slower internet connection with the potential for getting caught, fined, and jailed - or downloading unlimited music for a monthly fee over a very fast connection. |
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hughjass16
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| Posted: 03.09.2005 02:07 AM Post subject: |
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Go with itunes, it has the biggest library (even if it doesn't have EVERYTHING) as well as the most generous lisence agreements. (Unlimited plays, 6 burns).
Besides, you can't beat the audio quality. After hearing an itune version of an MP3 I had, I couldn't listen to another MP3 again.
Oh and thanks for letting itunes work. |
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Dang a Lang a Lang
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| Posted: 04.06.2005 05:32 AM Post subject: |
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I think every company mentioned above is as facsict and money hungry has those dirty democrats that rob the country of its hard earned money.
students,use i2hub, fast,easy and FREE
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malvo
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| Posted: 04.11.2005 12:39 AM Post subject: ... |
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It's not the responsibility of the school to provide these services to the student. The last thing UCR needs to do is cave into these corrupt industries that tout P2P as the destroyer of entertainment.
It's also foolish to think that this will stop filesharing. What about movies, games, and books? What about songs not available by these services? Full-album downloads? |
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michaelk
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| Posted: 04.12.2005 03:42 AM Post subject: Re: ... |
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| malvo wrote: | It's not the responsibility of the school to provide these services to the student. The last thing UCR needs to do is cave into these corrupt industries that tout P2P as the destroyer of entertainment.
It's also foolish to think that this will stop filesharing. What about movies, games, and books? What about songs not available by these services? Full-album downloads? |
Unfortunately, from a liability point of view, it is our responsibility to provide these services to the students. As I said before, we aren't paing for it. It might even cost less if by saving bandwidth, depending on whether the services have local cache servers or use the internet 2 connection.
Actually, let me rephrase this problem. We arent providing these services. We are promoting these services. We want to make students aware that downloading is illegal, that you can get caught, what the consequences are, and what legal alternatives there are. We don't want to suggest people use something that does not suit their needs, so we are asking what people use and like.
We aren't looking to "stopfile sharing". We could do that by disabling file sharing protocols (or unplugging the internet connection). I understand your concerns about movies, books, games, etc, etc. Where does it end. I will voice these concerns to the UCOP. |
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| iTunes doesn't have the Beatles catalogue because of Michael Jackson |
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| iTunes > * |
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